So, my work is cut out for me. I knew this was coming to a head recently but didn’t know how. Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, and Certified Sex Therapist, Laura M. Brotherson is the founder of "The Marital Intimacy Institute"" with a mission to help couples create "sextraordinary" marriages. Strong Man,…I confess this idea is so foreign to some of the things I have been taught that I am still unable to accept it fully. I know this seems like an impossibility, but with God’s help, I know it’s possible. That was NOT the intent. In my case, the evidence actually supports that things will not change. Then accept it. When it was time for me to learn the “Birds and the Bees”, I was given a book at school and told to read it. Lack of sleep was taking it’s toll. We had a ‘spiritual experience’ and felt that God wanted us to get married, so, being young and full of faith, we did what he asked. But that doesn’t mean their needs are being met, nore does it mean they are just “turning themselves off” either. The pattern I am in with my spouse is very unhealthy and I am unsure if it can be broken in a good way. Celibacy has existed in one form or another throughout history, in virtually all the major religions of the world, and views on it have varied. I have thrown everything I could into this marriage and have pretty much raised two teenagers singlehandedly. Make a list of qualities that you would like to develop in your own character and then base your decisions on whether it will help develop those traits or erode them. Answers don’t always come easily or quickly. Where an estimated 1 in 5 or 6 marriages is clinically sexless, I think a chapter/section in one of the church’s many marriage manuals tackling some of the issues around sexless marriages would be appropriate. Hi everyone, my first post. I met a woman and fell in love with her. First, make sure you have your act together–you’re healthy, physically fit, financially stable, and that you’re basically a nice, respectful and responsible adult. During his visit, he illustrated a problem that exists in the culture of the LDS church. I admire your desire to focus on your wife’s needs and to show her God’s love. I am always safe and discreet with my partners. OUCH!!!! I can not live in grief for the next 20 years. I pray that you will find your way Rob4Hope! In this life, I’m now fairly certain that’s not going to happen. Why? Your pain now comes from your longing for deeper intimacy with your wife. They seek a new understanding of celibacy that is focused on God rather than a future marriage or a lifelong vow to the Church. Not because they are not there, they just don’t trouble me to the degree that they used to. I was conscientious about balancing this with my goal to be a good supportive, helpful husband so I still worked hard around the house. What God designed to be good, Satan will destroy. Sexuality should be an integral part of loving and giving. After the “event”, she gets up and leaves, ready to start on a new project. Not sure if this is place for this but I thought I would try. Laura Brotherson, for example, is supposed to talk about these details, the Prophet is not. I felt I was a pretty good catch and here I was married to a man who didn’t have to do anything to get me. That implication kind of leaves out the possibility that refusing to do something (a “sin of ommission” if you will) can be just as selfish and damaging. Wonder why I seem desparate to find out if God does or doesn’t believe in sex in marriage, and why I am such a dificult person to convince? WillHeAnswer, ), then I have an honest choice of whether I want to stay in this marriage or exit. I don’t have any feeling for her at all. "[64] The Apostolic Constitutions (c. 400) excommunicated a priest or bishop who left his wife 'under the pretense of piety"’ (Mansi, 1:51). He will say something,…and then there is a “but,…….”. I made another observation as I was reading through SirJohn’s list. It can easily be argued that even a publication as “official” as “A Parent’s Guide” doesn’t carry any real authority in it. Non-verbal communication can provide a way to share things without each of you being reactive and ineffective at getting to the heart of the matter. I recently found a book on Amazon “I Want Sex, He Wants Fries.” It described my situation perfectly and was very informative about the symptoms, health risks, and how to approach your husband about this touchy topic. I sometimes come aware from posting feeling frustrated, though my feelings are authentic and honest. I did not know how long but vaguely anticipated this lasting some months to possibly a couple of years. [57] Celibacy was popularised by the early Christian theologians like Saint Augustine of Hippo and Origen. All three of these men are now “card carrying” individuals (if you know what I mean here); however, the pain of a sex starved marriage continues. I don’t expect things to change. The 92-year-old celibate Shaikh Yang Shijun was the leader of the Qadiriya order in China as of 1998. With that said, I feel more alone and distant now than ever before. So far, I find no biblical basis for divorce due to a wife’s refusal to have sex. ~ A Parent’s Guide, 11) There are times within the marriage when complete abstinence is appropriate for extended periods of time, such as during ill health, difficult pregnancy, separation due to employment away from home, or a need to restore respect and mutually decent emotional and spiritual relationships. Giving up sex was the best thing we ever did. You ever read in the Book of Mormon the teachings of Korihor? Priests, deacons, and subdeacons were forbidden to marry after ordination, although they were to continue to fulfill their marital vows if married … She needs safety first, and then she hopes she can access her feelings again, but she doesn’t know if she can or can’t. These reactions are all insane, but they necessarily follow with the way the LS statement was presented. So, I didn’t believe it. It hurts, but I am honestly trying. !”,….not on thou shalt. (Sorry to the trekkies out there..) The lack of religion in that movie DOES say something. I don’t think it would. How did you make the transition? I’ve relaxed and allowed intimacy to ‘Just Happen.’. Commitment coupled with emotional intimacy between husband and wife allows the soul satisfying sweetness of sexual union that you crave. Truely, I am one of God’s cursed for I still love the woman. I believe that this application of that scripture defines the spirit in a much more shallow way than was intended. I can’t remember what I searched for this time that found this, but I was exhilarated when I saw something that was so close to where I was emotionally. [Jonah] said, “It would be better for me to die than to live.”, 9 But God said to Jonah, “Do you have a right to be angry about the vine?”, “I do,” he said. I believe that God loves his children. Don’t fall into the trap of thinking “I hate sex”, or “all grapes are probably sour anyway.” It’s possible to understand the ideal, maintain a hope in it for the future, and still have a happy life right now. I never said or did anything to indicate my feelings. for which he won’t do anything about. The days following my daughter’s birth were filled with gratitude. Think on this: if sex is optional and non-essential, then so is marriage. Rob4Hope, I can’t answer for your wife, but I can give you my perspective from being in a very similar situation. Married people can also live a celibate life and accomplish Brahmacharya. To some degree I can understand the pains of loneliness that come from the lack of desire for intimacy from a spouse. Oh, how I understand a little of your pain from my perspective. I was trying to be manipulative and to change her. I quit reading because I believed I was destined to stay in the desert the rest of my life and beyond. Folks, I struggled with the “Sex is optional and 100% non essential” line fed me by LifeStar in SLC Utah, and it seems like that is what my wife is saying to me again. Regarding LifeSTAR therapists specifically, I actually can’t remember ways that clients were hurt any more by them or what they teach than by any other therapist. As “sad” as it sounds, it does help to realize that we are not alone with these problems. In the Roman Catholic Church, the Twelve Apostles are considered to have been the first priests and bishops of the Church. Celibacy is viewed differently by the Catholic Church and the various Protestant communities. “The adage in sex therapy is that when sexuality goes well, it is a positive, integral but not major component — adding 15 to 20 per cent to marital vitality and satisfaction.” So maybe your family members are (partially) correct, and we should be happy for them because it indicates that their marriages are doing better than ours. If I’m feeling this hurt by not be connected to my wife’s heart, how much more must it hurt God that she has essentially written Him off as worthless? They used to assume they would die or explode if they had to go without sex for longer than they wanted to. Sexual drive is a myth with the LDS faith. Why? These are entirely different things. I would be thrilled with that. It is good to see you post. No kissing. Worse, it poisoned my memories of happier times, as she clearly was faking her participation in a manner that caused me to doubt if she had ever felt any joy in sex wth me. [84][85][86][87][88] Unlike other Sufi orders in China, the leadership within the order is not a hereditary position, rather, one of the disciples of the celibate Shaikh is chosen by the Shaikh to succeed him . I’m sorry she is broken and shut down inside. But when I am constantly being told I am not good, that I am frigid, or that I am too uptight, why would I want to continue doing it? And sometimes things just happen independent of the choices of anyone involved. Finally, I forced myself to face reality. Thoery and practice though, seem to be 2 totally different enterprises. But, if that is the way things are going to be, how do I respect myself and the things I had hoped for and need in marriage? Argh. I don’t know how to explain that,…but those are very closely tied. All that pontificating, though really doesn’t help with “what to do” about it. Redemptive Encounters: Three Modern Styles in the Hindu Tradition (Comparative Studies in Religion and Society). I was in my early thirties at the time. From the statements that have been made, it seems evident to me that they are very contentious about how they approach this topic. Thank you, Laura. He is quick to tell me how I am ruining our marriage because I have cut off sex. But for all but the coldest-hearted men, there’s a need to be needed. I don’t know. ~ Eternal Marriage Student Manual, Birth Control. Take that comment for what it is worth,…but it means what you pulled from Barlow and from Victor Cline, as well as a lot of the information you pulled from the other authors,…was discredited–at least as far as my belief it was doctrine or church approved…. I wanted to believe that, because of where it was published, that Barlow’s message COULD be considered scripture….or at least something that had the full endorsement of the 12–which in my opinion, and to me, would have made it personal scripture. After we got married, sex was routine and infrequent. If only you’d had your own Rob4Hope ten or fifteen years ago! I respect your choice completey–please know that right out–and I have genuine curiosity as to how you feel about these things. Everything I have read, when taken together, paints this picture for me. After less than two years, my ability to function in other areas of life is grinding to a halt due to this consuming void in my life. If that is how you feel, I am very sorry you are enduring that pain. ~ Brent A. Barlow, “They Twain Shall Be One: Thoughts on Intimacy in Marriage,” Ensign, Sep 1986, 37) As a righteous couple grow and mature in their love, they will come to know that the fine blending of the spiritual and physical dimensions of their relationship [b]forms a solid foundation[/b] for their eternal union. What my wife has done is exactly what Sir John has written about in answer to your post. BIG mistake! So what now? I actually asked myself,…why has she pulled this information so much from those who have passed on, and not more from contemporary sources? I know that this will rankle the feathers of many on this site, but we were swingers with our neighbors and it was liberating. So when I finally hit my breaking point, I was done trying and pretending. ~ “Sexual Purity,” For the Strength of Youth: Fulfilling Our Duty to God, Sex is for procreation and expression of love. I haven’t read all of this, don’t know if it is apostate information, and don’t have time to comment at this moment…. Even began having same-sex attractions for a time, because i was so broken and desperate for affection. Over the years he always said he needed a wife, not a friend. 28) When we see sexuality as a [b]vital[/b] part of marital harmony and happiness, it becomes more than something we simply give or receive. I don’t know what has or is happening with the LS materials,…but I hope that Mark and others (like you Laura) can understand that sometimes staements like what hurt me, when offered by “authorities”, can actually cause pain and hurt. My wife doesn’t want me either, and it hurts deeply, even as much as having a child stray and make bad choices–at least for me this is true. Jainism, on the other hand, preached complete celibacy even for young monks and considered celibacy to be an essential behavior to attain moksha. Also, when I am most honest with my self, I don’t want a “submissive” wife in the way that most of us envision that word, especially in the bedroom. My wife announced 10 years ago that she was no longer interested in marital intimacy. It turns out she had a mental illness which I did not detect until it was too late and our friendship ended. This opens up a realization in my heart, and it is frightening. If my wife and I can’t heal this rift where she chooses to be with me romantically, and be with me enough (I’m tired of a sexually starved marriage–20 years is enough! ~ Brent A. Barlow, “They Twain Shall Be One: Thoughts on Intimacy in Marriage,” Ensign, Sep 1986, It is also of interest to note that the word sex or sexuality does not appear in the scriptures. It doesn’t help that this is how I have felt for 24 years either. And celibacy is to lead the pure relationship in one's life. I believe that if you ask for answers and none are given it means God is allowing you to place your energies elsewhere. I am The Lord and I will say when she is healed. That is actually a good thing. I actually cried when he spoke about his relationship with his wife and how he chose to be Christlike through it all. ~ http://www.lds.org, Gospel topics, Chastity, Within the enduring covenant of marriage, the Lord permits husband and wife the expression of the sacred procreative powers in all their loveliness and beauty within the bounds He has set. It is my mind and my eyes that constantly offend me. New Jersey: Princeton University Press, p. 4. . It is a horrible mess. I hope to someday have better faith so that answers from God are a little easier to obtain. She has been abused by men all her life … men like you David. Becoming as one requires the best effort from both spouses. Although I have found peace in the writings of JohnPaul II in his “Theology of the Body”, I also found frustration. I know that I have been guilty of giving my wife this same impression. My wife (and I) watched her sister’s marriage hang by a thread due to her husband’s infidelity. I used to pray that God would help me find a way to change my wife into a passionate, sexual person, but obviously that never happened. As Sir John says, I don’t think we want to blame all of our sexual dysfunction on the Church and how we perceive sexuality in religious communities. Our wives ARE supposed to submit to us, but it is not for us to demand submission. I attended the 2nd or 3rd LS program ever to be offered by Todd and Dan in SL County some 10+ years ago. I’ve thought about finding it elsewhere. I have 15 years to go, and for the past 20 I have struggled with marriage. So when He has your attention, you might as well try to listen. I believe that bridling our passions is a big part of giving our lives for them. Just wanted to give a shout out to MonsterWife too. Apparently they had a great connection and could talk about anything, something we have never had. My wife and I live celibate lives and have for many years. Mark Chamerlain has spoken with me subsequently, and he indicated that I am not the only one who has been hurt by statements presented by authorities and taken out of context nor qualified, including in therapy and LS as well. if he loved and appreciated me in any other way as well. He thinks I am cruel for wanting to move away from him for this reason. It may be helpful if you formalize this conversation. I hope you are finding some help in the conversation here and may even be able to experience some vicarious-type healing by being able to converse with others who may be experiencing something similar to what your husband may be going through…! I wish I had some advice or something I could say that would help you. I am really hurt and to say I am bone tired is a BIG understatement. So OHH didn’t go so well. There are usually many other issues involved. It was time for him to get help. I felt broken for having the feelings in the first place,…and when shame set in, who cares about marriage, God, church, or addiction–I’m broken and going to hell anyway, so why try. I can imagine things are so tough for you as well! I’m fed up. September 23, 2020, No Comments on HIGHLIGHTS – Live Event – “Sexual Wholeness Workshop”. She would be horrified if I were unfaithful. I’m trying to think through what you think they aren’t saying and how you think they might go about it…, I’m struggling with the idea that you don’t think “The Church” sees sex is an important part of a healthy marriage, when that seems to be the case at least from my point of view…even the Proclamation on the Family speaks of sex as being ordained of God and I imagine it as one of the “wholesome recreational activities” it mentions as well! I’ve also prayed about it and felt an emphatic “NO” from God on two occasions. ~ A Parent’s Guide, In the context of lawful marriage, the intimacy of sexual relations is right and divinely approved. [95], Pythagoreanism was the system of esoteric and metaphysical beliefs held by Pythagoras and his followers. I’d been there just under a year and had never seen anyone. I fear the future because I believe in an afterlife and that marriage can continue. In the scriptures it sais you are to love your wife with all your heart. Also, please let me know how you made the transition into a state of celebacy. Jdog – I am where you are at my friend. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. I don’t know the reasons why it isn’t. A common scripture is that the same spirit that posses us in this life will posses us in the next. She eventually came around. I’m sure you get the analogy here. And I don’t. It is optional and non-essential for the moments WHEN the urge hits. An effort to reach this righteous objective will enable married couples to use their complementary natures to bring joy to this union. I don’t think I suffered too much with the good girl syndrome, although my husband would beg to differ because I don’t want to do all the things he does (thank you pornography). I am also grateful to Dan for his frank remarks. 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